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Debate Score:77
Arguments:55
Total Votes:90
Ended:12/25/13
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Change School Mascots

Some people dislike their heritage being used as a team or school mascot.  Should the school/team be expected to change their mascot?

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Side Score: 31
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Side Score: 46
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2 points

"As American Indians, we often are treated as a historic relic or mascot,"

Side: Support Change
2 points

or the "As American Indians, we often are treated as a historic relic or mascot," "Sports and politics have a really important intersection. Symbolism really matters." There are other Redskins in the state.

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Other Redskins

Origin and Meaning

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They say that they should change the name because of this quote “ We deserve to be treated as what we are Americans."Says ABC news

Side: Support Change
1 point

I think that school mascots should be changed because you would not like it if people used racial slurs to define you as a person.

Side: Support Change
1 point

I agree American Indians are people not mascots and are deserved to be treated like Americans. I think this because they are just as human as they are and if you were treated like someone who doesn't exist unless people see a mascot life would be pretty depressing. Therefore Indians or any race should not have a mascot to cover there real identity.

Side: Support Change
19ehager(3) Disputed
0 points

I see what your saying but its not racial slurs its just a team name and there supporting the Indians not making fun of them their just saying that the Indians are strong and prideful we have green bay packers but say someone gets fired from there do you really think there going to change because a few people say they. just look out of the people check who really cares about the name because according to a bunch of sites only 1819 people sign the pation when they 20000 so it is showing it is fine have that name/mascot

Side: Against Change

''Indians'' can find it offense in just the slightest way. Some may also find it racist to be call ''redskins'' or ''hawk eyes'' if they find it offensive we should change it.

Side: Support Change
1 point

Native Americans view mascot names as offensice, racist, and demeaning. According to Mr. Cooper, a Native American, brought his daughter to a football game. A cheer leader was dressed in something like an Indian headdress and Indian clothing. His daughter was in tears and asked her dad if they could go home. Although some peopple have made and effort to dismiss these names, the names always end up coming back. For example, they might say it is a positive symbol or it may be voted back. Native Americans find this very disrespectful. They have their own culture and traditions. Part of the problem is that people show the Native Americans in a foolish way. They have people thinking differently of who they really are. American Indian mascots promote negative stereotypes . Not only do mascots like the Coachella Valley high schools mascot, which is basicly an angry arab head, but they also offend other cultures like Muslims. The Coachella Valley high schools' mascot is wearing a headscarf just like Muslim women. Therefore, these mascots should be banned because it gives people negative stereotypes and is very disrespectful and stereotypical.

Side: Support Change
1 point

people say sports teams should be able to keep their mascots because it shows a towns heritage but I disagree, sports teams should change their mascot because according to www.apa.org, research shows that native american mascots not only has a negative affect on native american students but kids of all races. so their fore sports teams should change their mascots because it has a negative impact on more than native Americans, but everyone.

Supporting Evidence: Indian mascot contraversy (www.apa.org)
Side: Support Change
1 point

I think that there should be a change because according to a survey in Boise Idaho 55.9% of people said that the teams the Washington niggers, Washington wet bats, and the Washington redskins are disrespectful and very dishonoring. Therefore i think that there should be a change because many people think it is disrespectful.

Side: Support Change
1 point

I was just on my way home from illinois and i saw a picture and a team name that was the indians and had a picture and i thought that was really mean cuz they no that that sometime people will start saying thats mean and that they should change their mascot!

Side: Support Change
0 points

Some people say that they should change native american mascots, and I agree. they should change native american mascots because it could offend native american mascots.

Side: Support Change
2 points

I agree, i would feel disrespected if their was a native American mascot and I was Native American. People need to pick the right mascot because there's no reason to hurt peoples feelings. Every time they hear it on TV or something, i'm sure they get hurt feelings. Therefore, there is nothing good coming out of hurting peoples feelings!

Side: Support Change
19ehager(3) Disputed
2 points

See that's just it if there was a team that made fun of Whites we wouldn't care because its funny or OK because we know its just a team but then you make a team called the Indians it starts a world wide controversy

Side: Against Change
Dsmith(11) Disputed
2 points

I think that we schoul't because “ We deserve to be treated as what we are Americans."Says ABC news

Side: Support Change
0 points

I think that there should not be racial mascots because it can be a harmful from of stereotyping. According to Dr. Friedman a NPR scientist racial mascots makes self esteem, belief in the community,and thoughts about others go down. ALong with the psychological mindset of kids and teens.

Side: Support Change
19ehager(3) Disputed
2 points

It can be offensive to some but others Believe its strong for them to sow how much pride is into it.There is a man named Steve Bobb SR who's on the tribal council and they Believe it is happy and proud the school is showing off the strength and dignity of the idians

Side: Against Change
19talbers(7) Disputed
1 point

You say that mascots are harmful stereotyping, but I disagree because the people don't have to live in those stereotypes. For example, in an article about the Fighting Arabs, teens from the local high school explain how in that area there was originally a lot of immigrants who came from the Middle East for the oil. The teens tell how their strong background from the Middle East is not affected by the mascot. In fact, it makes them proud that they are from there because it shows how unique they are, and there ancestors hard work in the community. You cannot take away the pride someone has in their ethnicity by saying that they are all "fighters" because by the actions of people in that ethnic group everyone else knows that they are not "fighters" and that they are kind people, and not violent. The members of the ethnic group just can't live under those labels, they have to prove them wrong, which gives them boosts in their future records.

Side: Against Change
19eplath(2) Disputed
1 point

Although some people feel proud to be in that situation, but some people are suffering to be stable when they see things like mascots. That article is talkiing about how they live without anyone saying things about them. They might feel more like they really belong in their community but if they get offended, that could be very disrespectful to them. How would you feel if you were being offended and labled for something you are not?

Side: Support Change
0 points

I think that they should change mascots and make sure that they get some kind of permission for that mascot because it can offend people and hurt there feelings, especially if a lot of stereotypes get created. Therefore, it would make people mad and might hate their team and they could tell everyone about it, causing that team to have a lot of people against them and not on their side.

Side: Support Change
19ehager(3) Disputed
3 points

Most do get permissions but say they asked one tribe that its OK with it but the others not well if you have a problem with then go to the tribe that said its ok

Side: Against Change
19wkrieg(5) Disputed
2 points

it still might me an insult to other tribes that are in different areas of the world like Canada

Side: Support Change
1 point

"Sports and politics have a really important intersection. Symbolism really matters." There are other Redskins in the state.

Side: Against Change
3 points

I think that the mascots should stay as they are now. They mascot gives a brief statement of the history of the town. If they change the mascots to something that has nothing to do with the town or state, they should not even have a mascot. Some people want to change the mascot of the Kansas City Chiefs, but the history of Kansas is rich with native american's and is know for the men from British community to the Indians who were not advanced in a way working together during the good and the bad times

Side: Against Change
0 points

I agree with this because what is the use of having a mascot when everybody think they shouldn't have one jut because of who it is and they don't like it just cause' of their race.

Side: Against Change
3 points

Good evidence Ethan. In a small town in West Virginia a high schools football team is was named the fighting gladiators because most of there aunt sisters were gladiators from Rome.

Side: Against Change
3 points

According to Paul William Nebraska State Senator, "mascots are not about mocking, not about racism, it is about the history and the back round, if the city has a rich history of Indian's the name should be able to be Indians, not the gladiators or something that has absolutely nothing to do with the town

Side: Against Change
1 point

I agree with Deven because of the Other Redskins and the Origin and Meaning

Side: Against Change
2 points

I believe that not all are offended and some are proud like a Michigan local high school team has gotten the OK from the local tribe leader Frank Cloutier head of the Gaginnaw Chippew tribe has the OK and they think that it honors them.

Supporting Evidence: Tribe (espn.go.com)
Side: Against Change
2 points

They say that it should but I say they shouldn't because some tribes are OK with it maybe its just a few people blowing up a little thing therefor The schools should be allowed to keep the names/mascots

Side: Against Change
1 point

For example, the Indians. That is a highschools mascot and it is very mean and offencive. Puting that as a mascot can make other people feel bad of how they look or how they dress. It can come accross people of just plan rude. Thats why they should have people vote if they like the mascot or not.

Side: Against Change
1 point

Mascots are also meant to be fun and exciting. Just look at Chief Wahoo of the Cleveland Indians they meant for him to be an encouraging icon of the city instead people look at him as a mean, disrespectful mascot. People who disagree with this are mostly the heritage the team is. They should look at it as a compliment because we are encouraging them and giving them support. Also the mascot can give history about the town like being a famous Native American who did something great or will be remembered in history.

Side: Against Change
19akilishek(8) Disputed
1 point

I see what you are saying but i think that there should be a change because It goes against morals and respect that schools teach. In fact in Boiceville N.Y board members including Margret Carey tried to get rid of their tomahawk mascot resulting in nails in her tires and other board members cars keyed. This is happening while the school is trying to teach the kids how to not do all of the things the teachers were doing. Therefore I think there should be a change because it teaches children things against there morals.

Side: Support Change
19wkrieg(5) Disputed
1 point

Gavin says that mascots should go without change because they are meant to be fun and exiting but I disagree, sports teams should change their mascot because even if it represents a towns heritage it still could be insulting like the Washington redskins and how their mascot represents their heritage but is insulting to many tribes because "redskin" is a racial slur people use to describe native Americans. so theirfore, sports teams should change their mascots because it could be insulting.

Side: Support Change
1 point

I think that mascot should stay, because if one mascot had to go almost all would. For example, Duke Blue Devils and Arizona St. Sun Devils might offend Christians. Notre Dame Fighting Irish might offend Irish people, calling them all short and violent. And the New York Yankees can't possibly be aloud to be a constant reminder of those in the South that they lost the Civil War. If one mascot was forced to change, a lot more would, causing a domino reaction. Soon, the Wisconsin Badgers would be forced to change because it reminds all the loggers who suffered long winters living in "badger dens" (the homes they lived in during logging seasons).

Side: Against Change
1 point

I agree with Skyla because she is totally right. That is just rude to even think of puting that as your mascot so why would you even do that?

Side: Against Change
1 point

I think mascots should not change because according to ESPN, if mascots where forced to change bases off of racial remarks and gender, over 17 teams would have to switch emideatly. This takes away history of that team/area, and also freedom of speech. If a professional sports team was forced to change mascots, it would take away the freedom of speech of the owner, because they are being told by the government what to name their privet business. This violates the Bill of Rights, and is just flat out wrong.

Side: Against Change
1 point

Oneida Nation Representive Ray Halbritter says "we do not deserve to be called Redskins. We deserve to be treated as who we are. Americans"

Side: Against Change
19gbates(12) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with this because why would you change the name Redskins when they've had it since the team was started and plus they aren't trying to mock those people they are just trying to show that they support them. The mascot could also give history about the town too.

Side: Support Change
19akilishek(8) Disputed
1 point

I see what you are saying but I think that there should be a change because it is almost the same if someone called you a mean name as it is calling a indian a red skin.

Side: Against Change
1 point

STAR said "Having Native names also encourages opposing teams to yell Kill the Indian, Scalp the Sioux, etc. ...This hurts Native children terribly." and i agree with them because that could make people afraid. They wouldn't want any part of that team. Therefore, it's just plain rude to go out and say something like that.

Supporting Evidence: Mascots (www.racismagainstindians.org)
Side: Against Change
1 point

I agree with you devan but it can come across disrespectful to people when they see it. They could think you might be mmaking fun of how they dress, look, or act. So it can come across rude

Side: Against Change
1 point

This has both sides of the argument. I say we shouldn't change mascots because all their trying to do is show a little pride in their schools. Also pride in the history of the country, state or cultures. There is no racism just pride, they are respecting the people and cultures around them.

Supporting Evidence: Debate: Should Mascots Change? (www.debate.org)
Side: Against Change
1 point

I think people should spend less time worrying if they might hurt someones feelings, because people need to learn that people can say what they want, but that doesn't define you. Only your actions define you as a person, and a racial comment won't kill you. In fact, I hear it makes you stronger. According to a Professor at Michigan College, all the money being spent on the topic could go to important things like paying off the billions of debt, or saving lives of kids in Africa. With all the crisis and wars going on, people need to spend less time moping about their raise and more time making the world as a whole better, and not just their feelings better.

Side: Against Change
19akilishek(8) Disputed
1 point

I disagree Peoples feeling a very much more important in some ways because there are kids everyday who feel depressed and have a very low self esteem because of all the stereo typing. It is the same thing as going up to a child or teen who has been bullied a lot and telling them there feelings don't matter, Imagine if someone told you that you didn't matter and that we could be spending money on something way better than you.

Side: Support Change
1 point

Calling someone a redskin yes does refer to Indians but how come in paintings of them they have on red or white paint if they have worn it then whats so bad about referencing it

Side: Against Change
1 point

I think teams should also be able to pick whatever mascot and team name they want because members of the team will work harder if they have a mascot they wanted cheering them on. Therefore, the coach would have a better team and their team could attract fans by how good the could be doing. Also, a lot of teams are capable of picking a good mascot that people wont be mad about. The coach wont have to go through all that trouble to ask permission or anything. Mascots are just to entertain people not to make enemies with others. Therefore, some people can be responsible and should be able to pick their own mascot.

Side: Against Change
0 points

i believe that some team mascots can be very disrespectful to people and that they should change the mascot if a majority of people say they should.

Side: Against Change
2 points

I agree with Madison because According to apr.com even the Wisconsin state law declares certain mascots as insulting, and can cause damage to childrens selfesteems.

Supporting Evidence: apr.com (www.apa.org)
Side: Against Change
2 points

I agree with Madison because a lot of people can get hurt feelings if they are Native Americans. A lot of teams can lose fans and a lot of fighting could happen. Therefore, it would be better to just pick a friendly, but still competitive mascot in the first place.

Side: Against Change
19talbers(7) Disputed
1 point

I disagree, because many mascots that reflect the background of the community could be switched, and by doing "majority rules" you violate the freedom of speech of the team owner, alumni, and current players or donation givers for that sports team. Also, if one school is forced to change mascots, people might force dozens of other schools to change too. This could cause a chain reaction that can hurt freedom of speech, and history of schools.

Side: Support Change
0 points

I think we shouldn't change mascots because mascots are meant to encourage the city or it's heritage most people think it's racist to Native Americans such as the Cleveland Indians it's meant to encourage Cleveland's history not give Native American's a bad name.

Side: Against Change
0 points

I think that schools should be aloud to keep their mascots because in some cases the mascot is just because it looks "too male or too Caucasian. People are becoming too sensitive about race and making it out to be something that you want to almost hide, when your race should be something you are proud of because of your history and ethnic backgrounds.

Side: Against Change
19akilishek(8) Disputed
1 point

I see what you are saying but i think there should be a change because most mascots aren't just to male or to Cajun it usually is calling them a disrespectful name like red skin or just a tribe name.

Side: Support Change
19talbers(7) Disputed
1 point

I understand your views, but I disagree because your tribe shouldn't be offensive or something you don't want to share, it should be something you are proud of. If someone made a sports team called "The Fighting Tommys" I would be honored, because that shows I am a strong person who doesn't want to give up.

Side: Against Change